Steinsaltz teaches us about the Tanna Rabbi Yishmael ben Elisha, discussed here. He was jailed by the Romans when he was young. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Chananya paid a large ransom to release him (Gittin 58). When he returned to Israel, Rabbi Yishmael studied under Rabbi Yehoshua. He became a leading speakers in the academy in Yavne. His teachings cover the Mishna and the Gemara; he created the 13 hermeneutic rules for studying Torah.
We learn that when this discussion was taking place, Rabbi Yehoshua was already an elder of the Sages. His reaction to Rabbi Yishmael was both teacher-student and father-son.
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